# The hardest thing about working with your partner

- **Episode:** [129](https://agents.truthliesandwork.com/episodes/129.md) (2024-09-19)
- **Type:** interview
- **Tags:** working-with-partner, challenges, logistics
- **Time:** 21:55–24:50 (start 1315s)
- **Listen:** [https://truthliesandwork.com/129?t=1315](https://truthliesandwork.com/129?t=1315)

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[21:55] Harry Cramer: The logistics. I think a question I get asked a lot actually is, oh, isn't it really difficult because you just go home and end up talking about work? And I didn't find that difficult at all because I love work. I find it really interesting. It's my favourite topic. I'm really boring like that. And I think to a certain extent, Chloe, my partner, is probably a little bit the same. So that's not a challenge at all. I think what is a challenge is the logistics of it because, really obvious example, if we go on holiday, obviously we're probably both going on holiday together. That's both of us out of the business for a week
[22:34] Leanne Elliott: Yeah
[22:35] Harry Cramer: And even an hour out of the business can be quite challenging sometimes. So us both being away for a week comes with its own logistical challenges because neither of us are there. So that becomes, that becomes a little bit more difficult. But yeah, other than that, to be perfectly honest with you, no complaints. It's, it's really helpful and it's really nice. And as I said, running an organization, can be lonely because nobody else gets it. Why would they? It's not their job to get it, but they don't necessarily understand what goes on behind the scenes. They might not necessarily understand the pressures that it can include. They might not necessarily understand the feeling that you get when you get an unhappy client, for example. You know, that really, that really bothers me and it really worries me. Or if you've had a bad day at work or something like that. So having your partner in the business helps that no end because she gets it. And it means that that sort of isolation that you feel at work is almost entirely negated. Because Chloe hasn't worked for the business for all of time. She joined us— she's obviously always been involved because she's my partner, but there was sort of a moment where she sort of officially fully moved
[23:57] Al Elliott: Yeah
[23:58] Harry Cramer: to work for the company. And ever since that day, that feeling has got an awful lot better. So, as long as you can manage things appropriately and make sure that you are sort of having some degree of boundaries in terms of home and work life, I would really advocate for it. I think it's made everything better. And like anything in life, relationships that are complementary tend to probably, particularly in a business context, relationships that are complementary tend to be much more successful than relationships where both people are good at the same thing. Because if you've got 2 people who are good at the same thing, then, then they'll kind of be vying for what is the right way to do something or how to make a particular decision. Meanwhile, something else could get totally forgotten about. So you need to have complementary skill sets and complementary attitudes rather than, I think, the same skill set and the same attitude. So sounds like you and Al have achieved that really well