# Is Gen Z's mental health crisis a red herring?

- **Episode:** [195](https://agents.truthliesandwork.com/episodes/195.md) (2025-05-08)
- **Type:** interview
- **Tags:** gen-z, mental-health, crisis
- **Time:** 20:32–22:45 (start 1232s)
- **Listen:** [https://truthliesandwork.com/195?t=1232](https://truthliesandwork.com/195?t=1232)

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[20:32] Sarah Hughes: Yeah, I think it's a red herring. I think it takes us away from actually focusing on what the issues are, which is social injustice. You know, that's actually what we're talking about. You know, not whether people care about the social injustice or not. Let's, let's get back to what we're trying to deal with. And it's a, it's a, yeah, part of the weaponization, I think, of society
[21:07] Al Elliott: We actually have a lot in common. We both use behavioral science to help people better at work
[22:09] Al Elliott: It can
[22:17] Leanne Elliott: But come back
[22:18] Al Elliott: Yeah, come back. Definitely come back because Nudge isn't as good as this. So come back. I'll cut that out
[22:23] Sarah Hughes: Keep that in
[22:27] Leanne Elliott: I mean, in terms of social injustice, what are the, what are the kind of the areas that concern you most at the moment? And I guess I ask that question from the viewpoint of potentially business owners or leaders that might be listening. Why should they care about social injustice?