# Outro — What's coming up Thursday

- **Episode:** [198](https://agents.truthliesandwork.com/episodes/198.md) (2025-05-20)
- **Type:** intro
- **Tags:** outro, preview, upcoming-episode
- **Time:** 58:35–59:58 (start 3515s)
- **Listen:** [https://truthliesandwork.com/198?t=3515](https://truthliesandwork.com/198?t=3515)

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[58:35] Al Elliott: Yeah, absolutely. We're going to ask all the questions that you're too afraid to ask. We'll be brutally honest about the time we've messed up in this area. Things like cis man, cis woman— I had no idea. I thought it meant— I thought it was like a weird derogatory term, but I've learned what that means now. So if you're a leader who wants to build a culture of genuine inclusion, you are going to learn so much from Thursday's episode. Um, there's going to be a tough conversation, but I think it's a necessary conversation
[59:00] Leanne Elliott: Yeah, absolutely. So we will be back on Thursday with a fantastic Sophie Wood. Do have a look at the show notes. We need— we have all the links to everything we've talked about, um, to our hot take guest as well. Ro, thank you so much. Um, come over and chat on LinkedIn. Come and find us on YouTube if you, uh, you want to troll me or defend me, whichever you choose. Um, and we will see you next Thursday for, um, an interview with the fabulous Sophie Wood
[59:25] Al Elliott: And Leanne's back in the studio next Thursday, which is going to be in 2 days' time. So yeah, very excited about that. Right, we'll see you all guys soon
[59:37] Leanne Elliott: Bye!
[59:40] Al Elliott: This is especially for you, Jeremy. This week we explore a simple mindset shift Good start
[59:48] Leanne Elliott: Is that right? Wait a minute, I might have got that wrong. So at that point you start— sorry, do you want to give me a nod?