# Where real change starts

- **Episode:** [199](https://agents.truthliesandwork.com/episodes/199.md) (2025-05-22)
- **Type:** interview
- **Tags:** inclusion, culture, change, leadership
- **Time:** 34:45–35:15 (start 2085s)
- **Listen:** [https://truthliesandwork.com/199?t=2085](https://truthliesandwork.com/199?t=2085)

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[34:45] Leanne Elliott: And that's the point. Inclusion isn't about getting everything perfect. It's about building a culture where people feel safe enough to show up as they are and supported enough to keep showing up, even when things go wrong
[34:57] Al Elliott: So, if you're a leader, ask yourself this: when was the last time someone told you the truth about how they feel at work?
[35:03] Leanne Elliott: Because that's where real change starts. Not with policy, not with a workshop, but with trust. And trust is built one moment at a time
[35:11] Al Elliott: This is Truth, Lies and Work. We'll see you next week