# The lowest moment — a complete shatter

- **Episode:** [22](https://agents.truthliesandwork.com/episodes/22.md) (2023-01-17)
- **Type:** interview
- **Tags:** burnout, crisis, lowest-point
- **Time:** 9:28–10:33 (start 568s)
- **Listen:** [https://truthliesandwork.com/22?t=568](https://truthliesandwork.com/22?t=568)

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[9:28] Jim Young: The lowest moment for me wasn't a stuck-in-the-mud moment. It was a complete shatter moment where I just realized that I had pushed myself beyond my edge. And I was home alone, my kids were off with their mom. I had worked, you know, another long day. And I got home and I was just so depleted. I was dealing with crises at work. I was so exhausted and tired and I just fell apart. I just started sobbing and it was uncontrollable. I was like, am I gonna ever stop crying? Kind of lying face down on the floor in this same carpeted condo, just thinking like, how did I get here?
[10:13] Al Elliott: Yeah. Totally relate to that. And there's, there's something also interesting about— I mean, I'm gonna ask you, I originally wanted to ask you, what's the difference between— is there a difference between men burning out, women burning out? But there's something you just said that resonates so deeply is you said you sobbed, and there's not many men who will publicly admit that they were sobbing uncontrollably