# Introverts, extroverts, and finding your version of fun

- **Episode:** [225](https://agents.truthliesandwork.com/episodes/225.md) (2025-08-21)
- **Type:** intro
- **Tags:** introverts, extroverts, fun
- **Time:** 32:43–35:52 (start 1963s)
- **Listen:** [https://truthliesandwork.com/225?t=1963](https://truthliesandwork.com/225?t=1963)

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[32:43] Joel Zeff: That's a very good question. You know, I bring audience volunteers up on stage and my clients always ask, well, there's, you know, Bob from accounting. Bob's not going to get up on stage. I'm like, I don't want Bob to come up on stage. I want Bob to enjoy it the way he enjoys it. And if, as long as Bob's in the room, I hope Bob's going to get something out of it. I don't need Bob to jump on stage and play an improv game with me. I don't want anybody to do something they don't want to do. I mean, we are getting out of our comfort zone. That's where we learn. You know, we learn outside of our comfort zone. But I don't, I don't need Bob to jump on stage. If Bob's not comfortable with that, I get it. And not everybody's going to be me. I get it. But what I don't want to do is exclude people from, you know, from the opportunity. I'm going to give you the opportunity. You choose to jump on stage. You choose to participate. If you choose not to, that's, that's up to you. If you want to Watch. I hope you get something out of it. I think you'll get more out of it if you join us, but I can't make you. And so, but I don't want to say, Al, you need to leave. You're not welcome. You're absolutely welcome here. And I want you to enjoy it at your pace, at your speed. And I think you're going to get something out of it. And I want you to feel included, and I want you to feel that you have the opportunity and that I believe in you. And I think that's what leaders have to think about. Not everybody's going to be jumping around, and I'm not asking you to jump around, but what does that person— the leader, the manager needs to go to that person and say, what makes you happy? What makes you fulfilled? What can I do? What opportunity do you need that's going to really make you happy and fulfilled? And they're going to give you, I hope they give you an answer. And as a, as a manager, then you provide that opportunity and they're going to have fun. It's, again, their fun is different than my fun. I'm not asking everybody to jump around and sing songs and play a harmonica. But I want to find out what makes you happy, what makes you fulfilled. And I want to create that opportunity for you. And that's the job of the manager because everybody's different. Everybody's coming at it from a different perspective. But I want, again, that's the manager making sure that it's inclusive. We're going to have this awesome, uh, we're going to have this, uh, we're going to do something that's fun and energizing. And I want you to participate, but if you feel more comfortable watching, then, then I want you to do that. I don't want, I want you, but I want to include you
[35:43] Al Elliott: Is there a particular moment that sticks in your mind from all the thousands of clients you've worked with, all the thousands of speaking engagements you've done?