# Extending hobbies and pushing beyond comfort

- **Episode:** [227](https://agents.truthliesandwork.com/episodes/227.md) (2025-08-28)
- **Type:** interview
- **Tags:** hobbies, comfort-zone, growth
- **Time:** 23:34–23:53 (start 1414s)
- **Listen:** [https://truthliesandwork.com/227?t=1414](https://truthliesandwork.com/227?t=1414)

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[23:34] Leanne Elliott: So with that in mind then, because as you say, it sounds like the, the experiences that push us out of our comfort zone make us more uncomfortable, will it have more of a transformative impact than activities that we might find pleasurable. Where's that? What is that difference then between pleasure and meaning, and why is it important?