# How Meghan Revolutionized Her Hiring Process

- **Episode:** [229](https://agents.truthliesandwork.com/episodes/229.md) (2025-09-04)
- **Type:** interview
- **Tags:** hiring-process, interview, revolution
- **Time:** 11:20–13:23 (start 680s)
- **Listen:** [https://truthliesandwork.com/229?t=680](https://truthliesandwork.com/229?t=680)

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[11:20] Meghan French Dunbar: I always, I would come with my prepared questions, but I would usually say, you know, here's all the questions that I think I'm gonna ask you. And I'm a naturally curious human, and when you say something that I want to key in on, I'm probably going to follow up on that. And the way that the person who I learned this from talked about it was the idea of you just open the next door that interests you. And so whenever anyone says something that I find to be particularly interesting, it's honestly just actively Being genuinely curious and staying present to like, what are they actually saying? And following through on a follow-up question. I've had a lot of people be like, I talked about things in that interview that I've never spoken out loud before. And I'm like, it's because we're not great at actually listening to each other when it comes down to it. Even if we have our prepared questions. Um, it's, it's hard to stay present and engaged and listen to someone for a full hour, which I think is what we're trying to tell people to do right now
[12:33] Leanne Elliott: We've heard how Meghan revolutionized her hiring process through genuine human connection, but here's where her story gets really interesting and a little bit controversial
[12:42] Al Elliott: Yeah, Meghan built a magazine about conscious business practices, but she was simultaneously burning herself out chasing traditional startup metrics. And also preaching the opposite message. The irony was not lost on her
[12:55] Leanne Elliott: And she's got some very strong opinions about what's broken in the business world. We're talking 40% of Amazon workers filing injury claims and a profit-at-all-costs mentality that she argues is literally destroying society
[13:09] Al Elliott: But before you think this is just another anti-corporate rant, wait until you hear about the companies that are doing it right. This and so much more is covered in her book, This Isn't Working
[13:18] Leanne Elliott: Al asked Meghan who it's for, and perhaps more importantly, who it's not for