# You Can Be the Richest Man and Treat Everyone Like Garbage

- **Episode:** [229](https://agents.truthliesandwork.com/episodes/229.md) (2025-09-04)
- **Type:** interview
- **Tags:** wealth, treatment-of-employees, ethics
- **Time:** 19:45–20:08 (start 1185s)
- **Listen:** [https://truthliesandwork.com/229?t=1185](https://truthliesandwork.com/229?t=1185)

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[19:45] Al Elliott: I want to talk more about the smaller companies. There's a fabulous book, well, I think it's a fabulous book, maybe you don't, by Bo Burlingham called Small Giants. Which talks about smaller businesses that win. And going through the entire book seems to be the theme that they care about people. There's a particular company beginning with Z, I wanna say Zimmerman's, I think